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[KidCoyote]

Just got the AS-V Pro’s in a 7 regular. Previously I was in 7EE 2X pro which made my forefoot scream. These CCM’s are perfect width wise and I have amazing heel lock, but I have blisters right above my arches on the inside of both feet. Everything I read online says you only really get blisters if the skate fits poorly and it’s because your foot is rubbing. If anything, these skates have far less negative space than my previous skates. I feel really locked in, but I’m getting blisters in these but nothing else.

Is this just due to the break in period? Do modern skates even have a break in period because they’re so heat moldable? I have had them baked and have Superfeet in them.

I’m really just wondering if there’s a light at the end of the tunnel or if I need to ditch these things. Maybe I bake them again? I got them from someone who baked them and used them twice, so this would be their third bake.

[Miller55]

From my understanding these can be baked a few more times and that's where I would start.

Your arch might be even sightly flatter than the boot and that will do it even if there is almost no negative space to rub.

I had this issue pretty much from when I was 9 years old until I eventually discovered that I need to punch out that area or bake it a few times and gently stand a bit to lay very slight pressure there. In mako and true skates I have entirely gotten rid of any pain and do not have to punch it out, just bake them a few times

[KidCoyote]

I should also note I’ve been on quite the adventure with Superfeet. I had a D (size 7-8 I believe) but a gentlemen at Pro Hockey Life had me stand on them and explained that my heel was spilling a ton and that I should size up and trim to accommodate. He had me in an F (for a size 10-12 skate) and I think the arch of the F insole was probably a bit too far forward for my foot, so that could be a factor. I just grabbed an E today as a way of meeting in the middle, so maybe those will help. It’s possible that the arch in the wrong spot is making my foot protrude and rub.

[Miller55]

Ya that actually makes a lot of sense. How did it feel with the standard CCM insoles? Do they still use orthomoves?

[Golden Gate Sharpening]

I'd recommend another bake with the newest insoles, as the ASV's can definitely handle a third bake. Make sure your shop bakes them for at least 5 minutes in order to achieve a proper heat mold. The skates should be pretty warm when they come out of the oven; not lukewarm, but not scolding/too hot to touch either. 

 

I had similar issue with my 100K's and original 2016 Super Tacks. For the 100K's, I switched from Superfeet Comfort to yellow Orthomove insoles (high insert on left foot, medium on right) and it fixed the issue nearly right away. Superfeet Comforts work perfectly in my Ribcor 70K and 80K skates, but for some reason they didn't mesh well with the 100K's. The one-piece boot may have had something to do with it, but I'm not sure.  As for the OG Super Tacks: I baked them twice and endured some foot pain for a few stick and pucks, but after that they fit like a glove. I used the original Superfeet yellow in those. 

[Mdwsta4]

I had this issue, also with superfeet; specifically superfeet carbon. Switched to superfeet comfort and it put my arch juuust in the right spot to eliminate rubbing

[xstartxtodayx]

I had this issue, also with superfeet; specifically superfeet carbon. Switched to superfeet comfort and it put my arch juuust in the right spot to eliminate rubbing

 

I had this same experience when I went from some old Ribcors to FT490's, the Superfeet Carbon I had been using for years gave me blisters in the exact same spot KidCoyote described, I switched to normal Superfeet (in the recommended size, not sized up) and it was perfect.  Now I'm in FT4 Pros and switched to some Sole moldable inserts which feel great.  The insoles can most definitely be the reason for the blisters, I would try that first.  As for the heel spilling a ton, once it's in the skate it will keep the heel in place a lot more and there shouldn't be much spill, I think the pro of correct arch placement would outweigh the con of heel cup sizing.

[KidCoyote]

They felt great with the stock CCM insoles just wearing them around the store when I tried them on before buying them gently used. They don’t use the orthomove anymore though, just some flimsy insoles. They were baked the with size F Superfeet Carbon Pro (not literally, they were removed while they were in the oven). So, I think I’ll eliminate those from contention. I have a pair of them in D and E so maybe I’ll try a skate with each of them to see if that fixes my issue and go from there. It does sound like it’s an issue with the insole and I think Jake might be on to something with the Superfeet not working well with the one-piece boot. As for Superfeet, what’s the difference between the Carbon Pro and the Comfort? Maybe I’ll give those a go too. I also explored the SOLE website, just not sure which ones would be suitable for skates. I guess the orthomove are an option too if I can track some down. Only issue is I’m obviously not going to bake them each time I’m trying a new insole, so I won’t really have a true idea if it’s fixed my problem.

I will say though, I’ve worn them around the house with both the Carbon Pro D and E and don’t really notice a difference. They’re fine if I’m just sitting there, but when I stand is when the pain comes. Especially if bending my knee and getting that forward flex like I would during play. Could also be because my feet are still a little sore in that area.

[xstartxtodayx]

OrthoMove are made by Curex, they're still available through Curex if you were interested in them (and prob on amazon too):

https://currex.us/pr...=30407090896986

 

Sole has some different options, the Active Thin is good for skates, I went with a medium thickness to eat up a little volume since my skates were custom for someone else (everything else fit perfect but they had a little too much volume so I used a slightly thicker insole and swapped my tongue to the thicker one and it was perfect).

[KidCoyote]

I just ordered the SOLE Active Thin to add to the mix. Thank god these are all so easy to return. I’m drowning in insoles right now lol.

[Mdwsta4]

I will say though, I’ve worn them around the house with both the Carbon Pro D and E and don’t really notice a difference.

This surprises me. I don’t know how you’re able to wear different sized insoles with your arches. I’ve tried two different sizes of superfeet; one that matches my skate size and one that has to be cut down. The larger size that has to be cut fits my arch. The smaller size does not. I can’t wear the insoles that don’t match my arch; they’re not comfortable because they don’t line up with my arch properly

[KidCoyote]

This surprises me. I don’t know how you’re able to wear different sized insoles with your arches. I’ve tried two different sizes of superfeet; one that matches my skate size and one that has to be cut down. The larger size that has to be cut fits my arch. The smaller size does not. I can’t wear the insoles that don’t match my arch; they’re not comfortable because they don’t line up with my arch properly

Ya, I think that’s where my issue originated. I never had an issue with the Superfeet Carbon Pro in a D, the size that fits my skate, but has my heel spilling quite a lot. It’s when I swapped them out to accommodate the heel that my issue started. My 2X pro fit great aside from some forefoot pain, but once I put the bigger insoles in and rebaked, they hurt everywhere. I don’t notice a huge difference between the different sizes just standing around the house, but I’m sure I would notice when I’m actually skating on them.

The whole inside of the boot, at least the lower portion, feels like a cement wall against my foot. I’m going to try the D and E Superfeet Carbon Pro, the Superfeet Comfort, and the SOLE insole and then based on which one feels best, bake the skate again to fit to whichever one.

[Buzz_LightBeer]

These CCM’s are perfect width wise and I have amazing heel lock, but I have blisters right above my arches on the inside of both feet.

I had this exact issue on my FT4, due to flat feet and the stock insoles. Swapped to these (comparatively inexpensive) insoles and it went away

Elite Hockey, Ice Hockey Skate, Pro Insoles (Size Choice) https://a.co/d/6HRzhpj

[KidCoyote]

Tried the SOLE insoles, they seemed to help a bit but after an hour or so the rubbing returned. The lack of pain initially could also be attributed to my blisters being almost healed and not sore anymore. Tried the size E Superfeet Carbon Pro and rebaked and I’m still feeling the same rubbing/pain in the same spot. There’s zero cushion on the inside of these aside from the the ankle area, so I feel like the inside of my foot is just smacking against an extremely hard surface.

[daveski7]

From fitting ski boots for many years it sounds like you are either in the wrong arch sole or the actual arch support in whatever soles you are using is either too far forward or back. I highly doubt that your feet are so flat that the skate is doing the damage. It is not rocket science but finding the correct inner sole for any footwear is 1000% crucial

[KidCoyote]

The SOLE insoles are heat moldable so they are formed to my feet.

[Miller55]

From fitting ski boots for many years it sounds like you are either in the wrong arch sole or the actual arch support in whatever soles you are using is either too far forward or back. I highly doubt that your feet are so flat that the skate is doing the damage. It is not rocket science but finding the correct inner sole for any footwear is 1000% crucial

My feet are actually that flat and I used to punch out that area in Bauer. That could be the issue, but if op was in 2x Pro without this issue then I highly doubt it

[KidCoyote]

Sorry for the feet pics boys.

I never considered myself to have flat feet but i guess they are somewhat flat.

Like Miller said, I had 2X pro with no issue. Previously I was in 3X pro, True, X7.0, one95, none of them gave me this issue.

[Golden Gate Sharpening]

I feel the same way with the 100K's vs. 90K's. The one-piece boots of the 100K's feel hard on the bottom, regardless of insoles. I actually prefer the 90K's because 1. They have traditional outsoles that have more give in that area 2. They have more padding in the ankles. The same thing happened with my original Jetspeeds vs. original Super Tacks. Possibly try another skate with a traditional outsole rather than a one-piece boot?

 

The Makos and True Catalysts I have don't have outsoles either, but feel better because the one-piece midsoles are very thin compared to the thicker, stiffer ones on the 100K's. I've never tried the ASV's, but I'm assuming they are very stiff in that area like the original Super Tacks. 

[KidCoyote]

They feel extremely hard on the bottom. There’s cushion around the ankle area and then rather abruptly, it’s just gone as it gets closer to the lower portion of the boot. Not even a gradual decline in padding. I actually went to hockeystickman today and tried on a few pairs of used pro skates, one of them being the 100k. I found that I was still feeling pressure in the same spot, but it wasn’t nearly as noticeable because the boot is so much more flexible than the ASV-Pro.

It’s tough too because this is something that I only feel when my knees are bent in skating position, so it’s not something that I can feel or even address during the baking process. It’s like when I bend my knees that part of the skate flexes inwards and pushes up against and rubs my inner foot. It honestly feels like there’s something sharp coming out of my insoles on a 45 degree angle, but obviously there isn’t, it’s just the boot itself making contact.

I felt like the SOLE insoles solved the problem at first but I was only on the ice for 20 minutes. The next day I got a full hour and a half skate in, really focusing on the skate and how it was feeling. I was constantly changing the tightness of my skates, the lacing pattern, everything. Still the same result.

I tossed my old 2X pro on after that skate and they felt so insanely comfortable. Even with my blisters screaming, they didn’t bother my inner foot at all. I feel like Bauers have a good amount of cushion in that area whereas the CCM’s literally feel like a piece of fabric over top of the composite boot.